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i have a theory, may be wrong, in the domestic side, i think to a considerable degree in foreign policy, he has centralized power in the white house. he's disempowered a lot of people in the cabinet agencies. they're treated much more like staff than real cabinet officers. he's not the first president to do this. but when he brought power into the white house he did not set up a team in the white house who could really run the government with all that power. that's which think he's had some problems. >> i agree with you on how difficult it is to understand techie speak. but there's also been some very clear memos that have come to light where the people working on the web site gave very clear warnings that they weren't testing enough, that they weren't quite ready, that this wasn't set to go. and why didn't they stop it? because it would have been seen as a political concession at a moment when they were in a -- >> that's where you make the leap. >> how do you explain it? >> i'm sorry. the idea that memos were sent and whether or not they made it to the president's desk is another quest
i have a theory, may be wrong, in the domestic side, i think to a considerable degree in foreign policy, he has centralized power in the white house. he's disempowered a lot of people in the cabinet agencies. they're treated much more like staff than real cabinet officers. he's not the first president to do this. but when he brought power into the white house he did not set up a team in the white house who could really run the government with all that power. that's which think he's had some...
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or any particular foreign policy. so the idea he'd be disengaged, unless something happened, i've never seen in the two years of intensity when i was there, i just don't buy it. >> now to the embattled health secretary, kathleen sebelius and her highly anticipated testimony today about obama care and the web site and its failures. our chief congressional correspondent dana bash has more. >> reporter: kathleen sebelius came with a clear sound-bite length mea culpa. >> i apologize. i'm accountable to you for fixing these problems. >> she repeatedly fell on her sword about the problem-plagued obama care web site. >> i told the president that we were ready to go. clearly i was wrong. >> reporter: republicans eagerly pointed out that the web site wasn't even working during this 3 1/2 hour hearing. >> it's been down the whole type you've been testifying. >> reporter: democrats were eager to point out the positive. >> women can no longer be charge more than a man for the same coverage. >> reporter: but some worried web site
or any particular foreign policy. so the idea he'd be disengaged, unless something happened, i've never seen in the two years of intensity when i was there, i just don't buy it. >> now to the embattled health secretary, kathleen sebelius and her highly anticipated testimony today about obama care and the web site and its failures. our chief congressional correspondent dana bash has more. >> reporter: kathleen sebelius came with a clear sound-bite length mea culpa. >> i...
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or any particular foreign policy. so the idea that he would be disinengaged is unless something happened, i've never seen in the two years of intensity that i was there, i just don't buy it. >> van jones and newt gingrich still with us. you worked with the president. do you agree with rahm emanuel. >> famously well prepared. frighteningly well prepared. everybody in that building if you wrote it, he was going to read it. the idea he's des ingaged playing golf, that is not this president. something went wrong but the idea the president was not engaged is part part of the story. >> you don't know him as well as van knows him but you've met him. he doesn't seem disengaged to me. >> let's assume for a second he's engaged. that means he knew he wasn't telling the truth when he said you won't lose your insurance. he knew the system wasn't ready on october 1st. which is it? it if he's truly engaged, i'm happy to believe either version. you can make an argument for a president who delegates and trusts his people. if he knew,
or any particular foreign policy. so the idea that he would be disinengaged is unless something happened, i've never seen in the two years of intensity that i was there, i just don't buy it. >> van jones and newt gingrich still with us. you worked with the president. do you agree with rahm emanuel. >> famously well prepared. frighteningly well prepared. everybody in that building if you wrote it, he was going to read it. the idea he's des ingaged playing golf, that is not this...
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to conduct foreign policy matters. that's your answer. >> that heart transplant really seems to have worked. he looks pretty good. >> and his doctor told me that he was hours away from death. hours, literally hours away. >> when he had the transplant? >> now, in 2010 when he had this major procedure. and he had this very odd moment where he woke up after being sedated and his family had been terrified. he had been dreaming he was in northern italy. he goes into detail on that in the book and in the interview. >> amazing medical story in it book. we'll be watching. >> well written, also. very well written. >> who helped him write it? >> i think liz cheney. >> a good writer. >> apparently. >> don't forget, jake's full interview with dick cheney later today on "the lead." 4:00 p.m. eastern, only here on cnn. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'll be back 5:00 p.m. eastern in "the situation room." ne newsroom continues right now with brooke baldwin. >> first the obama care website, and now spying on world le
to conduct foreign policy matters. that's your answer. >> that heart transplant really seems to have worked. he looks pretty good. >> and his doctor told me that he was hours away from death. hours, literally hours away. >> when he had the transplant? >> now, in 2010 when he had this major procedure. and he had this very odd moment where he woke up after being sedated and his family had been terrified. he had been dreaming he was in northern italy. he goes into detail on...
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or any particular foreign policy. so the idea that he would be disengaged, unless something has happened, i've never seen in the two years of intense legitimate i was there, i just don't buy it. >>> kathleen sebelius and her highly anticipated testimony today about obama care, the website and its failures. dana bash has more. >> kathleen sebelius came with a clear sound bite length mea culpa. >> i apologize. i'm accountable to you for fixing these problems. >> reporter: she repeatedly fell on her sword about the operable-plagued obama care website. >> i told the president that we were ready to go. clearly i was wrong. >> republicans eagerly pointed out the website wasn't even working during the 3 1/2-hour hearing. >> it's been down the whole time i've been testifying. >> democrats were eager to point out the positive. >> women can no longer be charged more than a man for the same coverage. >> some worried website problems are masking all that and want to be sure it would be fixed by the new november 30th deadline. >>
or any particular foreign policy. so the idea that he would be disengaged, unless something has happened, i've never seen in the two years of intense legitimate i was there, i just don't buy it. >>> kathleen sebelius and her highly anticipated testimony today about obama care, the website and its failures. dana bash has more. >> kathleen sebelius came with a clear sound bite length mea culpa. >> i apologize. i'm accountable to you for fixing these problems. >>...
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policy, to defense matters, to economic matters, and i am a strong supporter of it. >> the director of national intelligence james clapper announced overnight he is declassifying a trove of documents about the collection under the foreign intelligence surveillance acts, or first ssa. later today, clapper and the head of the nsa, keith alexen direction will be testify on the hill about that program. you can be sure they're going to be getting questions about spying overseas, how far it should go and what limits the administration is considering placing on it now. >> this is a huge story, especially in europe. jim sciutto, thank you very much. >>> republican senator lindsey graham turning up the heat on the obama administration for its handling of last year's benghazi rror attack and its aftermath. the outspoken critic of the administration is threatening to block all presidential nomination, before the senate until survivors of that attack testify before congress. take a listen to graham on fox news. >> for god sakes, let the house have a select committee where you get three or four
policy, to defense matters, to economic matters, and i am a strong supporter of it. >> the director of national intelligence james clapper announced overnight he is declassifying a trove of documents about the collection under the foreign intelligence surveillance acts, or first ssa. later today, clapper and the head of the nsa, keith alexen direction will be testify on the hill about that program. you can be sure they're going to be getting questions about spying overseas, how far it...
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for your the past year, we're talking about foreign policy and whether north we're going to bomb syria, whether oar not it's about chemical weapons and regime, whether or not we're talking about the ap scandal. i didn't know about it. and now finally this one. >> i've got to wrap, but i've got to tell you this. he and i have had this conversation off camera because i railed on you. we talked about that hearing being good. this is what we pay them to do. go and figure out what's wrong, question them to be accountable and get to the answer. but with the s&p that's where i say, oh, for heaven's sake. >> sabotage, sabotage, sabotage. >> i always like getting last word. will, thank you, sally, thank you. you'll have to come back. >>> senator ted cruz is getting blasted for a joke he made on wednesday. they said it was not the kind of remark you should make, it was highly offensive. listen for yourself and decide. >> have you all noticed the nigerian e-mail scammers, they've been a lot less active lately because they've all been hired to run the obama care websites. afterward a spokesman for
for your the past year, we're talking about foreign policy and whether north we're going to bomb syria, whether oar not it's about chemical weapons and regime, whether or not we're talking about the ap scandal. i didn't know about it. and now finally this one. >> i've got to wrap, but i've got to tell you this. he and i have had this conversation off camera because i railed on you. we talked about that hearing being good. this is what we pay them to do. go and figure out what's wrong,...
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or foreign policy, so the idea that he would be disengaged is unless something happened, i have never seen in the two years of intensity when i was there, i just don't buy it. >> so a very forceful defense of president obama by his first white house chief of staff. one other thing that was interesting is mayor emanuel when he was chief of staff, brooke, he was very open about suggesting that there not be this very ambitious widespread attempt to reform health care in this country. he thought it should be a more incremental approach, expanding health care for children and small businesses, but president obama disagreed with him. he talked about that at length also in terms of president obama wanting to hear opposing points of view, brooke. >> as you point out, the president speaking in a matter of minutes from boston, then we'll watch for you, jake tapper, and watch for this interview with the now current mayor of chicago, rahm emanuel. "the lead" starts in just a couple minutes. thank you, sir, for that. >>> before i let you know, coming up, we're talking about a global wine shortage?
or foreign policy, so the idea that he would be disengaged is unless something happened, i have never seen in the two years of intensity when i was there, i just don't buy it. >> so a very forceful defense of president obama by his first white house chief of staff. one other thing that was interesting is mayor emanuel when he was chief of staff, brooke, he was very open about suggesting that there not be this very ambitious widespread attempt to reform health care in this country. he...
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so it's kind of the classic foreign policy dilemma that you have very modest tactical benefits and a huge strategic risk. that has now blown up in our faces. >> bill? >> i would say if you're going to eavesdrop on phone calls of the german chancellor, that has to be something that the president of the united states authorizes and thinks frankly is worth the risk of exposure, as nick says. you can't just have the bureaucracy doing that. i would like to know, did this president or the previous president, for that matter, sanction that and if so, maybe they thought it was worth it. i don't have a principled problem with listening to other people's calls, even some allies, if we think it's important. you shouldn't do it in a haphazard way which generally damages relations with the real ally. >> do you think it's true that the president of the united states would not know that the nsa is listening in to angela merkel's phone conversations? >> you know, i'm a little mystified by that. i talked today to a former senior cia official and asked about that, and this person said that in the past
so it's kind of the classic foreign policy dilemma that you have very modest tactical benefits and a huge strategic risk. that has now blown up in our faces. >> bill? >> i would say if you're going to eavesdrop on phone calls of the german chancellor, that has to be something that the president of the united states authorizes and thinks frankly is worth the risk of exposure, as nick says. you can't just have the bureaucracy doing that. i would like to know, did this president or the...
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the white house is saying they're going to review the spying policy of foreign leaders but dianne feinstein, she is not happy. she says she's been kept in the dark and wants a further review that she's going to spreer heea. >> dianne feinstein was a defender of the nsa, saying most of the intelligence gathering was necessary. but she defended most of the practices. now she's not happy. she doesn't think she's getting straight answers from the agency and sometimes the white house. she's promising tougher scrutiny. that's a signal to the administration, significantly in this latest case she put out a statement saying the administration had promised to end all surveillance of allied leaders, leaders of allied countries like germany, for example. we've seen the embarrassing disclosures about that in the recent days. the white house says not exactly. we'll have a review, change some of the policies but don't use the word all. don't have a blanket prohibition on this. in trying to put this behind us, we may have raised more questions. >> the president did an interview with the fusion network. do
the white house is saying they're going to review the spying policy of foreign leaders but dianne feinstein, she is not happy. she says she's been kept in the dark and wants a further review that she's going to spreer heea. >> dianne feinstein was a defender of the nsa, saying most of the intelligence gathering was necessary. but she defended most of the practices. now she's not happy. she doesn't think she's getting straight answers from the agency and sometimes the white house. she's...
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>> with foreign leaders i care about our foreign leaders who are our allies, are they talking to my enemies, i want hear it. are they talking to each other about what they're going to tell us or what their policy positions are going to be. i want to hear that. is angela merkel using that fine talking to her intelligence phone deciding what they will and won't share with us? >> haven't we gotten enough information to justify the intrusion? is it the right question, and what is the answer? >> absolutely a fair question and chris, i think this whole debate has changed in a post-9/11 world where we have all this new capability. we are able to do surveillance. there are oversight mechanisms in place, but i think it's time for us to have a public debate about has our government made the balance right. we have members of congress who implement laws who enact laws and if americans don't like it, they need to engage with their congressperson and talk about how should the balance between privacy and civil liberties versus our national security be made. >> i get the sensitivities about american citize
>> with foreign leaders i care about our foreign leaders who are our allies, are they talking to my enemies, i want hear it. are they talking to each other about what they're going to tell us or what their policy positions are going to be. i want to hear that. is angela merkel using that fine talking to her intelligence phone deciding what they will and won't share with us? >> haven't we gotten enough information to justify the intrusion? is it the right question, and what is the...
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or any particular foreign policy. so the idea that he would be disengaged, unless something happened, i've never seen in the two years of intensity, i don't buy it. >> is it possible people are not bringing him bad news? >> no. jake, let's go back to this. one of the great strengths of this president, i told him and he always made me -- you know my view having done health care. i was not -- >> you wanted to do a smaller -- >> if you to it, expand kids and family and small business. at a critical juncture when the world was darkest, he said what will you to nodo now.at a criti world was darkest, he said what will you do now.family and smal. at a critical juncture when the world was darkest, he said what will you do now. even though he knew my position, he sought out a contrary position. so you paint pictures because they fit a narrative. you do, okay? we do certain things, you guys do certain things. disengaged. that's how you answer this. the fact is you've now learned it wasn't the national security staff of the unit
or any particular foreign policy. so the idea that he would be disengaged, unless something happened, i've never seen in the two years of intensity, i don't buy it. >> is it possible people are not bringing him bad news? >> no. jake, let's go back to this. one of the great strengths of this president, i told him and he always made me -- you know my view having done health care. i was not -- >> you wanted to do a smaller -- >> if you to it, expand kids and family and...
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policy. kerry is the highest level official to visit since morsey's ou ouster. his trial begins tomorrow. >>> after nsa edward snowden met with a german lawmaker in moscow he reportedly said he is willing to testify. he will go to nogermany as longs that country doesn't send him to the us. he said in a manifesto today that he feels justified in spilling intelligence secrets. the german lawmaker who met edward snowden said the confessed leaker wants to testify in front of congress. >> he stressed that he is ready to come before the german parliament to testify and that he would rather go before the pairliment and put the facts on the table. >> she says he is making his own decisions and is not being manipulated by the russians. >> despite the police state surveillance state we have been turning into. i think he would love to come back some day if the conditions plitly were different. >> nsa chief alexander, the turmoil now giving him second thoughts on whether spying on al lies like german cha
policy. kerry is the highest level official to visit since morsey's ou ouster. his trial begins tomorrow. >>> after nsa edward snowden met with a german lawmaker in moscow he reportedly said he is willing to testify. he will go to nogermany as longs that country doesn't send him to the us. he said in a manifesto today that he feels justified in spilling intelligence secrets. the german lawmaker who met edward snowden said the confessed leaker wants to testify in front of congress....